Romulan Fleet Name?

I still think we should refer to our fleet either as a fleet or a legion, I'm partial to a legion in the old roman style of naming, that's what I meant by a Roman Republic naming style as opposed to a Roman Empire naming style not that the word Republic would be in our fleet name, we're already in the Republic, that would be like calling the USMC the United States Republic Marine Corps...or calling my unit Republican Oscar Battery etc... uh No ;)

What I meant was something similar to Legio 3 "Stonewall" but in Romulan. The 3 cause we're the 3rd fleet or legion of Stonewall in the game.

Vroth Jorreh'honn children of stonewall

Jorreh'honn Karanha - Stonewall Legion (In Romulan)

Jorreh'honn Karansu - Stonewall Legionnaires (In Romulan)

I think it's more consistent and clear to use "Stonewall" in English along with a Romulan-themed word that means "fleet" or "legion" or something like that. This makes it really clear that it's part of our family of fleets. Purely Romulan names don't communicate anything to someone seeing them the first time, and I think they're difficult to identify with. Most of us won't know how to pronounce them, and no one who wasn't present for the decision is going to know what they mean.

OK so my vote would be for either:

Karanha Jorreh'honn or Karanha I(III) Jorreh'honn

or

Jorreh'honn Karansu

although the first option Jorreh'honn Karanha is also fun ;)

If we're going to keep Stonewall in English then we're going to have to change the Klingon Fleet's name as well.

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Jorreh'honn Karanha - Stonewall Legion (In Romulan)

Jorreh'honn Karansu - Stonewall Legionnaires (In Romulan)

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OK so my vote would be for either:

Karanha Jorreh'honn or Karanha I(III) Jorreh'honn

or

Jorreh'honn Karansu

although the first option Jorreh'honn Karanha is also fun ;)

If we're going to keep Stonewall in English then we're going to have to change the Klingon Fleet's name as well.

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Jorreh'honn Karanha - Stonewall Legion (In Romulan)

Jorreh'honn Karansu - Stonewall Legionnaires (In Romulan)

Thanks Bud! Its a fairly valid point about "Stonewall" beign in English, but I think Kei, makes a really good point too. Our Klink fleet hasn't had "stonewall" and by extension any link with stonewall either. Maybe that's worth correcting if we go with that.

My personal leaning is Stonewall Karansu, for two reasons; 1 it just rolls off the tongue moreso that "Karanha" and second because "Legionnaires" is cooler. LOL

Oh, great, there went my Romulan character name which I've been saving since launch: Karasu (which is Japanese, so I suppose it wouldn't have worked anyway).

How many of our Vulcan/Alien characters are allowed to defect, do you suppose? Coming Out Day!

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I think it's more consistent and clear to use "Stonewall" in English along with a Romulan-themed word that means "fleet" or "legion" or something like that. This makes it really clear that it's part of our family of fleets. Purely Romulan names don't communicate anything to someone seeing them the first time, and I think they're difficult to identify with. Most of us won't know how to pronounce them, and no one who wasn't present for the decision is going to know what they mean.

You make a great point, but has that been so much of an issue for the House of Nagh'Red? Just a point of curiosity.

Oh, and while I'm not such a fan of the Rihannsu canon of Diane Carey's (eminently reasonable, and a clear fan-favorite), I do see the draw.

I might suggest that perhaps we take one of the Rihan canonical names, and consider abbreviating them? I mean - Romulans must have contractions, amirite?

eg: Jo'honn Karansu, or perhaps Reh'honn Karansu

Thoughts?

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I think it's more consistent and clear to use "Stonewall" in English along with a Romulan-themed word that means "fleet" or "legion" or something like that. This makes it really clear that it's part of our family of fleets. Purely Romulan names don't communicate anything to someone seeing them the first time, and I think they're difficult to identify with. Most of us won't know how to pronounce them, and no one who wasn't present for the decision is going to know what they mean.

You make a great point, but has that been so much of an issue for the House of Nagh'Red? Just a point of curiosity.

Excellent question Sej, so I will answer your question by posing two of my own. (and this is to anyone reading this thread or has had this happen to them.)

How many times have you heard of a player joining our Fed fleet(s) because they saw one of us in our Fed toons with the name "Stonewall" clearly displayed over our ship or character?

Now, how many times have you heard of a KDF player doing the same thing because they knew how to read Klingon?

There were other factors yes, but I feel recruitment for Nagh'reD may have suffered because of it. Stonewall (in English) is classy and recognizable and is a big part of who we are as a community without being overt.

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I think it's more consistent and clear to use "Stonewall" in English along with a Romulan-themed word that means "fleet" or "legion" or something like that. This makes it really clear that it's part of our family of fleets. Purely Romulan names don't communicate anything to someone seeing them the first time, and I think they're difficult to identify with. Most of us won't know how to pronounce them, and no one who wasn't present for the decision is going to know what they mean.

I don't see this as an issue. If you do a search for 'stonewall' under the social window under find a fleet it will pull up that word in the fleets description. Since all of our fleets have the word "stonewall" in them no matter the name we can find someone with invite power. There is also the stonewall chat. We are far from hard to find, if someone is looking for us they will find us.

I guess the way it's been done in the past fit the way the game was done in the past. You joined a Federation fleet when you just started the game at level 1, then you had to wait until you levelled up until you got to 6 or now 20 before you could start a KDF character, in which case you either joined the KDF affiliate for your current fleet, or were savvy enough by that point to know how to pick your KDF fleet on your own. Because of all this, the name of our KDF fleet had less of a need to be a drawing card.

Now, players will be able to play the first level of the first character of STO in one of three factions. It may necessitate our restrategising how we market ourselves.

On the flipside, as SaintPlazma said, if folks want to find us, they will. I saw about joining this fleet even before I had the game installed. (I bought the game just after it went on the market, but it was several months before I was in a situation to install it.) I knew I wanted to join an LGBT fleet, and Google and the game message boards were my friends. Also, the fleet search capacities within the game itself make it pretty easy to find us without having to resort to Google-fu.

Ditto, I joined this fleet because you popped up in the google search, until I joined I'd never seen anyone from Stonewall in game.

Having an obvious connection between your fleet names is a good thing. I had seen Stonewallers in the game before I joined the fleet; that level of activity is a selling point for prospective members, and you're reducing it if you're flying under an unconnected name. The implied LGBT connection is also a big plus. I have had people /tell me "oh, hey, is that a gay-friendly fleet?" on my Fed characters; not so on my KDF.

"Stonewall" is memorable because it has existing associations in people's minds. They may know about the riots; they may think of the general; they may just think of a wall. But it does call up some sort of imagery for any English speaker, and that makes it more memorable. Heck, even the name "Romulan Empire" was specifically picked to call up assocations with the Roman one. A fully alien name doesn't have that advantage.

As for HNR...frankly, it's because I find "Nagh'reD" such a pain that I don't think another incomprehensible name is a good choice. I probably still wouldn't know what Nagh'reD actually meant if not for the discussion surrounding the Romulan fleet. I still don't know how I'm supposed to pronounce it -- probably two thirds of our members couldn't spell it on the spot. Because of this, though I've been in the fleet for ages and I love my Orion toon, I feel no sentimental attachment to that word the way I do "Stonewall."

Worse, to a prospective member, all the fleets called "House of [coughing fit]" just sort of blend together. The number of people for whom "Jorreh'honn Karanha" is any more meaningful than "Shmiddlydoo Flobbilitwop" is... well, let's face it: they're all on this thread already. Even our own members who join after the fleet is inaugurated won't know why it's called that.

Call it Stonewall Karanha or Galae Stonewall or the Stonewall Senate or the Raptors of Stonewall, and immediately there's an image to latch on to in addition to that bit of Romulan flavor. Our legacy becomes apparent to anyone who sees us in the game. The new group is bound in with the Knights and Lords and Vanguard and Fleet and Deep Spacers. I don't think that the initial novelty of a fully Romulan name outweighs the long-term value of a more communicative and practical title.

Well, color me convinced.

I vote for Stonewall Legion.

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Jorreh'honn Karanha - Stonewall Legion (In Romulan)

Jorreh'honn Karansu - Stonewall Legionnaires (In Romulan)

I like the second option for the romulan faction fleet name..

It rolls off the tongue with ease.

Doc, you're awesome :)

I like "Stonewall Legion" or if we wan't to be a little extra canonical we can call it the "Stonewall Star Legion." It was always refereed to as the Romulan Star Empire.

Plus our fleet is more of a paramilitary force and not a body of government so "Senate," while very Roman/Romulan sounding doesn't quite fit don't you think? I mean if our Senators actually went off to fight wars themselves that would be progress. ;)

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Having an obvious connection between your fleet names is a good thing. I had seen Stonewallers in the game before I joined the fleet; that level of activity is a selling point for prospective members, and you're reducing it if you're flying under an unconnected name. The implied LGBT connection is also a big plus. I have had people /tell me "oh, hey, is that a gay-friendly fleet?" on my Fed characters; not so on my KDF.

"Stonewall" is memorable because it has existing associations in people's minds. They may know about the riots; they may think of the general; they may just think of a wall. But it does call up some sort of imagery for any English speaker, and that makes it more memorable. Heck, even the name "Romulan Empire" was specifically picked to call up assocations with the Roman one. A fully alien name doesn't have that advantage.

As for HNR...frankly, it's because I find "Nagh'reD" such a pain that I don't think another incomprehensible name is a good choice. I probably still wouldn't know what Nagh'reD actually meant if not for the discussion surrounding the Romulan fleet. I still don't know how I'm supposed to pronounce it -- probably two thirds of our members couldn't spell it on the spot. Because of this, though I've been in the fleet for ages and I love my Orion toon, I feel no sentimental attachment to that word the way I do "Stonewall."

Worse, to a prospective member, all the fleets called "House of [coughing fit]" just sort of blend together. The number of people for whom "Jorreh'honn Karanha" is any more meaningful than "Shmiddlydoo Flobbilitwop" is... well, let's face it: they're all on this thread already. Even our own members who join after the fleet is inaugurated won't know why it's called that.

Call it Stonewall Karanha or Galae Stonewall or the Stonewall Senate or the Raptors of Stonewall, and immediately there's an image to latch on to in addition to that bit of Romulan flavor. Our legacy becomes apparent to anyone who sees us in the game. The new group is bound in with the Knights and Lords and Vanguard and Fleet and Deep Spacers. I don't think that the initial novelty of a fully Romulan name outweighs the long-term value of a more communicative and practical title.

Our new fleet will be bound to the legacy of our other groups, the same way we our, each of us, is bound to the legacy of our ancestors even if we no longer share the same last name. If we do what we should, we will preserve the history of our fleet and our name. We also have to remember that our fleet name will add to the ambiance of playing the game, a mixed name can and will be disruptive to an immersive experience. We also can't assume that everyone knows the meaning of the name "Stonewall". We are a large fleet with members from around the world. I've vary sure that some of our members had no idea what Stonewall was be for joining. If we are going for canon( even if STO is soft canon) the name should be in Romulan.

After reading some of this thread beyond my previous post I think that it should be a sustainable name. To that end DoctorDisaster is correct. The name should be legacy to Stonewall and should contain the same. For example; and don't lynch me just yet as I am still pretty new here - If I were to create a KDF the only way I would know the fleet name is by using StonewallChat to get invited. Now because I don't really have an interest in the KDF side of the house I do have interest in what will become our Romulan entity. I joined what I have come to know as some of the best people on the planet doing the thing I love best and maybe it's pride but I want our links to the factions known.

Just my two-cents.

There are plenty of cases in the world today of large corporations keeping the same name no matter what country they have offices, or stores in. I can't recall the exact reasons but summarized I think it comes down to Brand Recognition. I must admit the novelty of having a completly Romulan fleet name would be cool but I do feel it would be better for the future to at least keep the word Stonewall as is in the fleet name. So at why not just go half and half. Something romulan before or after the name Stonewall

I would vastly prefer the name be in Romulan but I could probably handle Stonewall being in English, but if that's what we're going to do Legion should be before Stonewall as Legionnaires should be after Stonewall.