The next few weeks.....

I have to agree that what one person finds funny or appropriate others may not. I guess I'm on the far side of "not funny". :(

Boys will be boys but please be a mature adult and think about what your saying. Like KiddKasper said

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From what I know and have seen, I believe that a PG-13 rating is still the best, although adhered to in general terms. I think the same etiquette that most people would use in public should be used in our guild. You wouldn't describe in great detail in public how you would want to molest somebody. But, you would speak in broad, appropriate terms. Then, in a more private setting, you'd use more specific language. The same should apply to guild chat. Innuendos and lively chat are fine. But, you wouldn't want out right lewd behavior. Of course, being hateful or disrespectful is never appropriate.

So, where is the line drawn? What I find appropriate, you might not...and vice-versa. It's a fine line that is constantly adjusted depending who the audience is. IMHO, people should clearly understand the Code of Conduct and be expected to adhere to it. Once that's done, I think the rest will take care of itself.

He's right on with this!!!

I'm not saying folks can't have fun and joke around, heck we all play mmo's to enjoy ourselves. We all like to get a little lively and have fun. But think about what your going to say before typing away. If someone asks for help or advice and all they get are statements like "its in my pants go find it" from guild members, how is this helpful?

I really don't want to see the guild fall into a WoW clone and where making derogatory remarks or unhelpful statements becomes the norm or is acceptable.

The Code of Conduct should be followed by everyone, not just a few.

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I assume those listed as LT's are officers?

Just an FYI: I just thought I'd point out that right now, on the Republic side, Lieutenant is the only membership level we have available for both officers who were added after Guild Deployment and for trusted folks who can help invite (appears to be the significant others of the officers for the most part at the moment).

This should be changing mid-week next week when the Guildmaster role is transferred to the one of the Republic's Officers and we start to introduce TOR's version of Fleet Captains.


Now that said...

Aldente pretty much summed up our expectations of our fellow Stonewallers: The Code of Conduct applies to any public communication, whether it is on the forums, in the general chatrooms on Vent (the specifically noted 18+ channels excluded), or in Guild or Chat Channel chat in either game.

This means that you should treat the channel as if it were rated PG-13 regardless of how the ESRB rates the game. Innuendo isn't a problem, as has been said, boys will be boys. That said, I was witness to some very explicit discussion and website referrals that were being transmitted via guild chat the other night that should have been reserved for a private tell.

Stonewall should be as comfortable place for teenagers looking to find an online group where they "belong" as it is for us adults to find friends with shared interests. It would be a real shame for a 14 or 15 year old struggling with their identity in real life, finding a respite online with the guild, to be banned from the guild by a parent because they saw explicit chat in the public guild channel.

I honestly belive all the posts here are good as it shows how much folks care about the guild and want it to be a safe place to come while playing SW:TOR.

Sometimes we need to discuss the stuff that may not be all warm and fuzzy. It maybe hard to read but needs to be posted and discussed.

Thank you to DakonKor for making the post. This is really something that should get out to the folks in the guild.

To end on a positive,,,,tomorrow is Friday and there is a long weekend waiting for us! Woot.

I'd like to point out that our PG-13 policy started long before the launch of STO and was initiated originally for our IRC channel. It's a common misconception that it's solely to enforce the rules of Crytpic in StonewallFleet channel. I believe this is the thread you were referring to Colivia.

Instead, I firmly believe that we must have a certain level of decorum in all of the areas of our guild and our PG-13 Policy is the best middle of the road that we have. Another misconception is that our rules are stricter than they are. We generally are pretty lenient and err on the side of caution when moderating a member.

As Colivia said, we don't want our guild to descend into a no-holds bared state, but we still want people to be comfortable to speak there minds. As Kasper stated, you should still approach our public areas as you would in any public area. The internet often gives people a sense of anonymity and freedom that they can say whatever they want with no reprisal, but that's not the sort of environment that we want here. You wouldn't boast about your latest "conquest" in the middle of a crowded restaurant (actually, some probably would) so don't do it in guild chat. The same goes for our public rooms in vent, but we understand that people are more descriptive in teams or mission rooms.

One of the best bits of advice I can give is that if something is bothering you or offending you is to speak up either to the person causing you to feel uncomfortable or to an officer. Most of the time, people don't realize what they're saying is offensive or inappropriate.

As for the positives in all of this, I have to continually thank the officers of Knights of Stonewall. There assistance in running the guild, getting it started and running during launch and their continued support has been invaluable. The guild would not be where it is now if it was not thanks to the work of Zepari, Doogiegood, Halish, Aldente, and Dakon Kor. Thank you sooo much guys! As well, I'll give a shout out to all our "LTs" who have been helping by sending out invites. You're efforts are deeply appreciated and so important during this busy period of the guild.

I would like to thank Ryyven, Dave, Neilston, Virgo59 and Bradley for helping with Republic invites. It has been a great help. I myself truly an thankful of them.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you guys with in or out of game. Right now I'm playing pretty consistently. Not specific times (that's all over the place), but I'm on for long periods of time every day or two. So if anyone needs any help (that I'm able to provide) whether it be administrative, advice, or help with a mission, let me know.

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Instead, I firmly believe that we must have a certain level of decorum in all of the areas of our guild and our PG-13 Policy is the best middle of the road that we have.

As Kasper stated, you should still approach our public areas as you would in any public area. You wouldn't boast about your latest "conquest" in the middle of a crowded restaurant (actually, some probably would) so don't do it in guild chat.

One of the best bits of advice I can give is that if something is bothering you or offending you is to speak up either to the person causing you to feel uncomfortable or to an officer. Most of the time, people don't realize what they're saying is offensive or inappropriate.

First, i'd like to say to i find it important that all you fellow guildies feel at home on our guild chat. It should be a place where people help/advice each other. It should be a place where you can small talk about the cool thing that just happened to your toon. There's no point being in a guild where you feel uncomfortable. Personally, i feel at home on our chat channel.

Reading these posts, i think i've stepped out of line a few times too. I've read the code of conduct. I've looked up PG-13 on wikipedia. I only have a vague idea what is considered inappropriate for a pre-teen. A lot of parents would probably find any gay reference inappropriate for their 13 year old.

The guild chat channel is indeed a public place. To me, it doesn't feel like a crowded restaurant, it feels more like a gay bar after everyone had a few drinks. I realize that not everyone would feel at home in such a public place.

If someone ever feels uncomfortable by anything i say in guild chat, please don't hesitate to remind me to behave myself.

Thanks everyone for the shout-outs!

I really wanna thank Neilston, Doogie, Warwidow and Keithian for being my buddies whether group questing, just hanging out in vent, or gossiping in whispers... You've all made my gaming experience truly pleasurable and fulfilling :)

For those guys I've helped out, the only thing I ask for in return is for you to pay it forward to someone else new, learning, or even totally clueless about playing this awesome game :D

Also, let this be an open invitation to everyone who feels the need to be non-PG-13 and openly talk about whatever stuff they want, sexual or not, to my most private chat channel... Satisfaction guaranteed!


Hugs all,
Daryyn, Ryyven, Myykal (and Jockstrap o.O)