Gareth and dex hit the nail on the head here I think.

Doffs are the limiting factor across all fleets for finishing projects usually, these days science doffs are really struggling which is why DSS starbase has stalled.


Also alot of people tend to check fleet holdings from the top to the bottom, so spire and embassy projects tend to fill with doffs faster. This has the unfortunate effect that starbase projects that require hundreds off doffs languish for days and weeks while the spire, embassy and Dil mine at that point tick over the starbase (the only fleet holding we haven't maxed) isn't moving anywhere.

These policies are quite old back from when voleron was head of resources and as Gareth explained he did some experiments to see if they needed changing.

Also I think the armada system has yet to fully permeate the fleet, new things like this often take a long time for people to catch up on. Main fleet whose projects outside the research lab exist solely to provide xp ( we are maxed out and have a good amount of provisions) fill up fairly rapidly still.
If all those those resources were directed to DSS and legion so the projects that are struggling to be filled start ticking over quickly it woukdnt surprise me that more projects will open.

To respond further: I understand what you're saying, but -- you'll forgive me for likewise being blunt -- unfortunately I can't say that I agree with the approach of closing certain Holding projects.

What is the basic problem? Players are not quickly donating items other than Marks and XP?

I understand your POV that those who only contribute fleet marks or expertise won't be affected whether there is one queue or 5. However. Those that contribute dilithium or doffs in turn have to split there donations across an extra 4 projects. This then significantly slows each holding. Especially the holdings that we wish to move quicker.

If members had there resources to contribute. They could to the primary project. Opening a new slot won't change that since what holds the project up is not having the resources in the first instance. And having an extra couple of projects only dilutes that further.

If every active member contributed a small amount of dilithium or doffs. We wouldn't have an issue. Doffs are harder to come by naturally (though there are some assignments).

If we could encourage everyone to donate 1,000 dilithium and 5 doffs a day (average) then it would make a significant difference.

7,000 dil is one day's daily refine. And pennies in real money cost :)
Doffs average 20,000 on exchange and a couple of pve mission drops could cover those costs.

These are the changes that are needed to advance projects. Not opening up more of them.

Thank you so much for writing, and so quickly, and for taking the time to share all of your invaluable insight and experience. I'm sorry that we let you down on Legion Fleet Projects and thanks for giving us another chance. ;) Pop quiz?!?! But, but... I didn't study!!!

To respond further: I understand what you're saying, but -- you'll forgive me for likewise being blunt -- unfortunately I can't say that I agree with the approach of closing certain Holding projects.

What is the basic problem? Players are not quickly donating items other than Marks and XP?

I don't see how limiting active projects directly addresses this; I don't see how this is the optimal solution to the problem. If a player is only able or willing to donate Marks and XP, that's all that s/he will donate. You may lead ~some~ players to donate other material, but this all strikes me as somewhat punitive and coercive. Also, this premise does not work as well in the new Armada environment as players will, as you point out, simply donate elsewhere in the Armada.

What I can get on board with is, rather than eliminate certain Holdings' active projects and thus reduce the entire Armada membership's chances to donate to projects, is, for example, hold a "resource drive" for a particular Fleet Holding.

We could communicate the need in-game via Fleet (and Armada, as appropriate) messaging as well as here on the Forums.

I feel like this would be more a more constructive, positive, and community-oriented solution.

*IF* that fails, and we really MUST (but, why?) level a particular Holding... (is there a race or a stopwatch I missed?), THEN yes I would wholeheartedly support temporarily closing projects, but with plenty of communication, especially beforehand, as to why the measure has been taken (not to say that didn't happen in this case, but I didn't see it... I just thought the Legion Fleet Captains/Admirals were on vacation or something, hehehe), what the milestones are, and the approximate timeframe. Transparency, here, is key to make sure to avoid misunderstanding and preserve Armada member experience.

All that is to say that -- I think we're on the same page now (since you're launching the monitoring session)!! :D You do realize that I will make it my personal mission to keep the Legion projects moving now, right? ;)

Also, please, when you consider my words, know that I'm a huge fan of you personally, the Fleet (and, Armada!), Nick, and the rest of the Admiralty and Fleet Captains! Even if it may not be expressed often, the membership knows how much love, blood, sweat, tears, money, time, effort, you all put into making Stonewall the best of the best and that you do so graciously, despite having to contend with many perhaps thankless tasks and also the less ideal aspects of human nature (in this case, donating material that's free/cheap/easy to obtain, in other words, Marks & XP). ;)

Let me say it now: A MILLION THANK YOUs AND BLESSINGS UPON YOU.

Hugs,

Aty

lol my first part was about the restrictions to F2P players. As to the 2nd I totally understand how crazy people can get in competitive pvp games, I was a pretty involved pvper in WoW Vanilla and the crap people would do was crazy. I was just trying to figure out how serious GW2's pvp was cause I've never heard of it discussed

Hello Aty,

Thank you for writing this and expressing your concerns.
For a while now Legion has been a concern for us in regards of whats the best route to take, in order for Legion to rise with its other brothers, Deep Space Stonewall, and Main Stonewall.
We constantly monitor each project and what it demands, and how long it takes to fill up to complete each project.

We look at what we think should be a priority, in this recent decision we want to try and get our Starbase on par with our other fleets, we also wanted to grow the new research lab, so that it could be in sync with the other fleets Lab growth.

Sadly.. this is not happening, projects are still yet to be filled, even now when Im looking at the open slots that have been open for a couple of days, progression in filling them is very slow.

This in turn brings up the question of why don't we open up projects for the Spire/Embassy/Mine...
I will be blunt,.. they are not being filled.
When I first took over the resources dept, i queued a project in the Legion mine.. just to give me a clue of how long we can get it filled..
(normally Leadership uses fleet EC or our own, to buy doffs/provisions/& use our own Dil needed to fill up projects if they are stuck, We didnt this time)
i monitored the said open slot.. and it was filled up instantly with fleet marks and XP.. but then nothing else.. 3.5weeks the same one project was still open in the mine, some of you may have saw it.

This is partly the reason why I believe we should just concentrate on leveling up our new Lab, and our Legion starbase.
with the projects crazy need to have a load of doffs per project, I thought it best to just concentrate on throwing our spare doffs into as minimum slots as possible, the same with provisions needed, and Dil needed.
If we opened up more projects in the Spire/Mine/Embassy.. the Labs progression would be halved .. as would the starbase.

We have done much the same to the House of Nagh ReD, who has less active players than Legion.. and our dedication into filling the KDF starbase slots is paying off.. this time next week.. the Nagh ReD starbase will be top tier!! whoooo!

With Regards to the Armada, its been a help,.. though a small but noticeable change (coming from someone who sits & monitors projects every single day, I really do :P)
As we can now help fill legions opened projects from other toons in our other fleets.
This helps me and the resource dept boys fill up whats left to donate.. like dreaded doffs and dilithium. so we can quickly complete the project that sadly goes untouched and open up the next project.

All of the above is my polite way of saying that only the Fleet mark & XP donations get filled up when We open projects in other bases (spire/mine/Embassy) and the rest is left for others to fill.
If we were to open up all projects, you would see an abundance of unfinished slots still needing things.. our Research lab will stall as will our Starbase growth.

Going back to the Armada, and if any of us are struggling to get fleet Credits.. we have available over 50 project slots that need donations, spread across the whole Armada.
So there are a load of chances to get Credits.

in summery..
Our Turn over of Legion projects is slow.
Im sure you all agree that we would like to see our Lab complete asap
We need to find other ways of gaining credits by filling up the remainder of open slots.


I thank you for taking time out to read this, and i truly hope this makes sense as to why we sometimes have to close off completed projects, in order to help new projects grow.

If we could pull together on this, for the short term, we can get Legion to a great place.

However, Id like to invite you all on a small monitoring session with me,
Ill go in game after Ive posted this .. and Ill open up a project in legions Spire.
If we could all monitor its progression.. As well as monitoring if it effects the Labs growth.. does it slow it down etc... maybe we can come back on this thread from time to time to chat about the results?

It's not so much that I have a particular resource burning a hole in my hold that I want to unload as it's that I routinely cycle through the active Armada holding projects and items I have on hand that fit a need, I donate, or, if I see that an active project is languishing, I obtain what's needed and donate it.

One of the major advantages and draws to the new Armada system is members having more opportunities to donate to Fleet Projects and I know that players appreciate seeing as many active projects available as possible within Stonewall Fleets and across the Armada. :D

With that said, if there is a critical shortfall of a particular resource needed for Fleet Projects, I'm more than happy to personally contribute as much as I possibly can and I'm likewise more than happy to suggest different strategies to solicit the needed materials from other Armada members (though I cannot guarantee efficacy). :)

Thanks again for the consideration.

I am imperial

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Free accounts have to level to 60 before they are allowed to entire World vs World (I assume that also includes edge of the mists).

Correct. Trivial to accomplish.

What are you looking to donate to the Fleet Projects?

Does it make a difference if I am on the PVE server?

No worries. Moved to Ten Forward.

I am still logged in :)

Sorry I am working with the emperor so that makes me imperial i think

She is breaking the law and ignoring a court order. She needs to be punished accordingly. She is not above the law.

I think strongly on this statement that i am about to say, which is "If you are going to be in a job that requires you to make and put you in a position that goes against what you believe in as a person, not as a religious person then you need to think about whether or not you are the right person for that job."

Some people have their heart in the right place, but just don't have the open mindedness to keep their personal beliefs at home. But this is a hard practice to do especially in this time and era.

I don't think firing under the wrong pretext would go well for both the LGBTI community in Kentucky nor having the Government or County to do, so i think that if they do want to remove her from office as a county clerk, then they need to approach it very carefully and be consistent in doing so.

Just my to cent from an Ozzy perspective.

Dax

Dear Leader/s,

I'd like to kindly please request that active projects for Stonewall Legion Fleet Holdings -- Dilithium Mine, Embassy, and Spire -- be returned to regular rotation.

Friendly Fleet leaders and members today replied to my in-game chat query to explain the reason why the holdings were paused. I understand and appreciate the concept.

Still, I think that resuming projects for the Legion holdings would improve player experience and morale in both the Fleet and the Armada as a whole. Players are keen to donate to projects throughout the Armada and we appreciate seeing as many projects in play as possible.

Thank you as always for all your hard work and stewardship of the Fleet and now Armada and thank you for considering my request.

Long Life & Happiness,

Aty

PS Apologies if I missed a forum post on the subject or if I posted to the wrong forum.

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I think I'll be there. Not sure if I have anything useful to add, but I do want to hear what is going to be said. Also, I will try to think of some stuff that might help.

Actually, if you don't plan on speaking up, don't attend. I'm not looking for an audience. :P If I see people not talking, don't be surprised if I start calling people up by name.

This is going to be a bit of a toughie because I've written my Fed main to be the only version of himself in any universe, sort of like Captain Asfara Eden in the Voyager Full Circle novels. Maybe I'll do Serleena.

I'll be there as well.

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Ok I tried, but I give up. Hugz

Sorry I missed you there, I was out running errands when you msg'd be. Did you get my response? I'll keep looking for you but could you also please let me know if your toon is Imperial or Republic? One faction can't see the players on the opposite faction's side.