I knew that... >.>

I was just.... Testing....


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This thread is like the cheapest school ever. B)

Yes, the family name before 1917 was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, but this was deemed too germanic for the British Royal family during the First World War so they adopted the name of Windsor (after Windsor Castle) instead.

Another note, Duchess is not always above Princess, one is a title in the peerage and the other a royal title. Royalty precedes the peerage (nobles) in the the Order of Precedence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Order_of_Precedence
All this is different from the Line of Succession aswell, so it's a bit complicated. For example, Princess Beatrice is 5th in line to the Throne, but comes after Catherine in the order of precedence, who is not in line to the throne, and before the Duchess of Westminster who is not a member of the Royal Family at all.

for Star Wars: The Old Republic I'd guess? .. That's the forum this is posted in lol.

For what?

What's so close yet so far? has there been a beta announcement I haven't heard about?

For what are we becoming excited?

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Royal naming is confusing and I know way more about it then I should since I'm not British. My maternal Grandmother was English, which is where my interest comes from :) .

As a member of the royal family entitled to be called "His Royal Highness", William formally has no surname. Officially, he is part of the House of Windsor. In 1960 the Queen issued an Order-in-Council that gave her descendants the last name of Mountbatten-Windsor. Mountbatten is the maiden last name of Prince Phillip's mother, which he adopted when he gave up his foreign titles to become a British citizen (told you it is confusing). Mountbatten-Windsor can thus be considered a personal last name for the family to use, and is often used for weddings.

Royal children who do not yet have peerages of their own use Prince or Princess along with their father's territorial title. Thus the sons of "Prince Charles, Prince of Wales" are "Prince Harry of Wales" and (until the wedding) "Prince William of Wales". For comparison, the children of Prince Andrew, Duke of York are Princess Beatrice of York and Princess Eugenie of York.

On his wedding day the Queen invested William as Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, and Baron Carrickfergus, and he dropped the "of Wales" entirely. He will most commonly be referred to as Prince William, The Duke of Cambridge, which is the highest of the titles.

When Charles becomes King he will presumably invest William as "Prince of Wales". William will also take over the title Duke of Cornwall, which automatically goes to the male heir to the throne and was traditionally his source of income, and Duke of Rothesay, the title of the heir to the Scottish throne.

Prince William's current full name is:
His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Master of Arts.

Kate is not "Princess Catherine". Prince or Princess preceding your name is a title that is only gained through royal birthright, and Kate is a commoner. However, she did gain the "Her Royal Highness" designation and automatically gains any other titles that her husband attains. She will most commonly be referred to as Catherine, The Duchess of Cambridge but her full married name is:

Her Royal Highness Princess William Arthur Philip Louis, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus.

In case you are wondering:

Diana was never "Princess Diana" even though people often call her that. Like Kate she did not have the proper birthright to use that title. Instead, she was "Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales" when married to Charles, and was "Diana, Princess of Wales" after they divorced.

the namne actualy origionaly came from

At a meeting of the Privy Council on 17 July 1917, George V declared that 'all descendants in the male line of Queen Victoria, who are subjects of these realms, other than female descendants who marry or who have married, shall bear the name of Windsor'.

the queen declared the extended Mountbaten later

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Couple of good questions and living in England I should know the answers but it's awfully confusing.

The Flag thing. Britain is crazy multi-cultural especially in London and I think a lot of people regardless of their original origin wanted to come out and celebrate the big day. There's a lot of Americans in London and I saw a few US flags myself.

I think the official Royal Family's surname is Windsor but to be honest I'm not really sure how the whole name things works. It's all very odd.

The Queen gave the Duchess of Cambridge title to Catherine as a honoury title, I think she can still be refereed to as a Princess? It wasn't confirmed until just before the ceremony what title she would take. Certainly Prince William is now Prince William, Duke of Cambridge instead of being Prince William, Prince of Wales as we've always known him.

But you don't need to be sorry for being ignorant because, if you're ignorant, I'm not sure what that makes me lol.

Its actualy Mountbatten-Windsor and thew reason this is is becasue up until ww2 they tooik the names of the countery they ruled, some bloke whose name eludes me right now chose to give the surname of Windsor which trhen bewcame the Mountbatten-Windsor suranme for all none throne sitters.


Also Dutchess of ...... is higher than Princess

Well she will not be Princess William of Wales now that William is Duke of Cambridge. That would have been her title had William stayed as Prince William of Wales, but his own title now precedes the "of Wales" bit he had due to his father's title. Royalty with HRH titles do not have surnames. Mountbatten-Windsor is the surname used by male line decendants of the Queen who are not HRH, or by choice if they are. If William is still Duke of Cambridge (not Prince of Wales) after he has children, all of William and Catherine's children would use Cambridge as their surname where is is required (eg. for school and military service) just like William and Harry used Wales, and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie use York, because of their father's titles.

You are right that she would not have become Princess Catherine, as Joslur said, only females born into royalty get to use their own name as part of their title. While legally a Princess Consort (ie. married to a Prince), it is not part of her official title unlike Diana who used Princess due to it being the female equivalant of her husband's title "Prince of Wales". When Charles is King and invests William as Prince of Wales, Catherine will become "Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus", but as with most royalty she will be known mostly by her highest ranking title, HRH The Princess of Wales, not HRH Princess Catherine of Wales. The media will probably ignore all this and just call her Princess Catherine anyway, lol.

As for Camilla, that's a bit of am issue in the UK. Legally she is currently both The Princess of Wales and the future Queen Consort. Nothing short of a legal declaration from the Queen (letters patent) can change that. She has simply chosen to be known as The Duchess of Cornwall which is the female equivalent of one of Charles' lesser titles. She's done this to appease those who think that her marriage to Charles should be morganatical and that her status as a divorcee should bar her from becoming a Royal Highness and future Queen Consort.

As an aside Kate is also apparently Princess William of Wales as she cannot be a princess herself without being born one.

As for the question of why she can be Queen but Camilla cant is most likely down to the fact that Camilla is a Divorcee but Kate isn't.

So if Camilla can't be a queen, can Catherine? *is all confused*

No, the wedding was yesterday.

Oh you mean the game? lol. Yes I'm excited but trying to forget about it otherwise I won't be able to sleep much, hehe.

Wow, Joslur, you need to get a job in the British news, that was an excellent explanation that the UK media have been unable to duplicate over the past few days, lol. No-one in the UK seems to know how it all works.

If I could just point out one thing though, the Duke of Cornwall title will not go automatically to William when Charles becomes King, it would be retained by the Crown and the Monarch would then have to invest him with it. Charles himself only recieved the title in 1973 when he was also invested as Prince of Wales, and while it is a tradtional title for the heir to the throne, now that William has his own Dukedom, he is unlikely to swap it. In fact Charles has hinted that he will keep the title after acceding to the throne as it has been announced that Camilla will not become Queen when Charles becomes King, but will continue to be known as The Duchess of Cornwall. Only if Charles were to die before he became King would William, as his eldest son, be entitled to the Duke of Cornwall title and property (as dukedoms are hereditary).

It's not important anyway, but I also know more than I should as an Irishman, lol. I love a bit of pomp and tradition.

Anyone besides me getting the "so close and yet so far" jitters?

Wow! Awesome! :D

(My mum was a British subject before my father dragged her to the US to live in... Well... He's a hoarder.)

Royal naming is confusing and I know way more about it then I should since I'm not British. My maternal Grandmother was English, which is where my interest comes from :) .

As a member of the royal family entitled to be called "His Royal Highness", William formally has no surname. Officially, he is part of the House of Windsor. In 1960 the Queen issued an Order-in-Council that gave her descendants the last name of Mountbatten-Windsor. Mountbatten is the maiden last name of Prince Phillip's mother, which he adopted when he gave up his foreign titles to become a British citizen (told you it is confusing). Mountbatten-Windsor can thus be considered a personal last name for the family to use, and is often used for weddings.

Royal children who do not yet have peerages of their own use Prince or Princess along with their father's territorial title. Thus the sons of "Prince Charles, Prince of Wales" are "Prince Harry of Wales" and (until the wedding) "Prince William of Wales". For comparison, the children of Prince Andrew, Duke of York are Princess Beatrice of York and Princess Eugenie of York.

On his wedding day the Queen invested William as Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, and Baron Carrickfergus, and he dropped the "of Wales" entirely. He will most commonly be referred to as Prince William, The Duke of Cambridge, which is the highest of the titles.

When Charles becomes King he will presumably invest William as "Prince of Wales". William will also take over the title Duke of Cornwall, which automatically goes to the male heir to the throne and was traditionally his source of income, and Duke of Rothesay, the title of the heir to the Scottish throne.

Prince William's current full name is:
His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Master of Arts.

Kate is not "Princess Catherine". Prince or Princess preceding your name is a title that is only gained through royal birthright, and Kate is a commoner. However, she did gain the "Her Royal Highness" designation and automatically gains any other titles that her husband attains. She will most commonly be referred to as Catherine, The Duchess of Cambridge but her full married name is:

Her Royal Highness Princess William Arthur Philip Louis, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus.

In case you are wondering:

Diana was never "Princess Diana" even though people often call her that. Like Kate she did not have the proper birthright to use that title. Instead, she was "Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales" when married to Charles, and was "Diana, Princess of Wales" after they divorced.

Episode 258 - The Next Generation - "Descent: Part One" - 06/21/1993

http://www.allstepisodes.com/megvid.php?n=2626

The crew encounter a group of Borg acting individually, and Data briefly experiences emotions.

Enjoy!

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Argh! I apologize. Already completed the article. However, you are first on the list to check out for the June edition! Awesome review comments...can't wait to play it. :D

Don't apologise at all, I should have posted sooner.

And woohoo! First in the queue for next time! :cheer:

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Oops - am I too late? Just read that your deadline is today...

Argh! I apologize. Already completed the article. However, you are first on the list to check out for the June edition! Awesome review comments...can't wait to play it. :D