Bradley Barbour

bradley1701

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 09 2011
This episode has already been done...it was TNG's Final Mission.
Seannewboy

Seannewboy

Re: True blood anyone?

August 09 2011
Bill was not in his right mind, it may not apply.
Jay Eudy

Six-of-Nine

Re: True blood anyone?

August 09 2011
She ignored a command from her maker. Enough said.
Seannewboy

Seannewboy

Re: True blood anyone?

August 09 2011
Her blood in him thats also why i think he got past the guard, he is currently on v, and she has a thing for him just as he does for her.
Paul L P LeBel Jr

LeBelJr

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 08 2011
Quote by Angelsilhouette
Quote by chemkarate
Quote by NicholasJohn16
We could go full blown out and have Star Trek meet Brokeback Mountain. Two lone ensigns, stranded on a planet, they must cling to each other to survive. In the cold night, infront of a warm fire, they embrace each other . . .

Will Starfleet be able to save them . . . do they even want to be saved . . . from each other?


Well, that's it. I'm now going to change the plot of the new Stonewall story completely. Time for some hot ensign-on-ensign action.


NO!!!!


That's not dramatic enough...

Hot Ensign on Captain action! Then after they're rescued, there are the awkward gazes, the stilted conversations, the terrible secret that they must both keep... A romance spanning so many pay grades! Scandalous!

If you're gonna go, go large! :3


I agree with you NicholasJohn16. That would be great to see Captain on ensign action.:tos:
Jay Eudy

Six-of-Nine

Re: True blood anyone?

August 08 2011
Whats to stop her from killing him so she can stay out?
Seannewboy

Seannewboy

Re: Star Trekian Birthday's-Master List

August 08 2011
2 for today.
Seannewboy

Seannewboy

Re: True blood anyone?

August 08 2011
I think it is. I think Jason is unshot and Jessicawill be burned but saved from destruction by Jason.
Jay Eudy

Six-of-Nine

Re: True blood anyone?

August 08 2011
Um, tonights episode, please let it be a fake out.
Brandon Felczer

CapnBranFlakes

Re: Star Trek: The Journey

August 08 2011
:ds9:


Episode 347 - Deep Space Nine - "Prophet Motive" - 02/20/1995

http://www.allstepisodes.com/megvid.php?n=3316

Quark discovers that Grand Nagus Zek has written a new set of the Rules of Acquisition, which would put an end to the traditional Ferengi ways.


Enjoy!
Angel

Angelsilhouette

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 08 2011
Quote by chemkarate
Quote by NicholasJohn16
We could go full blown out and have Star Trek meet Brokeback Mountain. Two lone ensigns, stranded on a planet, they must cling to each other to survive. In the cold night, infront of a warm fire, they embrace each other . . .

Will Starfleet be able to save them . . . do they even want to be saved . . . from each other?


Well, that's it. I'm now going to change the plot of the new Stonewall story completely. Time for some hot ensign-on-ensign action.


NO!!!!


That's not dramatic enough...

Hot Ensign on Captain action! Then after they're rescued, there are the awkward gazes, the stilted conversations, the terrible secret that they must both keep... A romance spanning so many pay grades! Scandalous!

If you're gonna go, go large! :3
Eric

chemkarate

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 08 2011
Quote by NicholasJohn16
We could go full blown out and have Star Trek meet Brokeback Mountain. Two lone ensigns, stranded on a planet, they must cling to each other to survive. In the cold night, infront of a warm fire, they embrace each other . . .

Will Starfleet be able to save them . . . do they even want to be saved . . . from each other?


Well, that's it. I'm now going to change the plot of the new Stonewall story completely. Time for some hot ensign-on-ensign action.
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Jay Eudy

Six-of-Nine

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 08 2011
Nick, I love you.
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Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 08 2011
I agree with a lot of the people that something subtle would be nice; just like the men in skirts in the first three seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

OR...

We could go full blown out and have Star Trek meet Brokeback Mountain. Two lone ensigns, stranded on a planet, they must cling to each other to survive. In the cold night, infront of a warm fire, they embrace each other . . .

Will Starfleet be able to save them . . . do they even want to be saved . . . from each other?
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Angel

Angelsilhouette

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 08 2011
I almost agree with Abrams. Usually I'm fairly lukewarm towards him, because he's done a lot I've liked and a lot I've disliked, and I feel sort of the same about his statement. Yes, bringing focus to a gay couple in a Star Trek film is like unnecessarily bringing focus to a heterosexual couple.

However... It doesn't have to be focus. Simply having two crewmen in the background holding hands, an affectionate smile between main or supporting actors or even (if it was felt necessary) a surreptitious lustful look shared between them would do. Even sharing quarters, like Chief O'Brien and Keiko, with (perhaps) an adopted son or daughter. There doesn't have to be any love scenes or even obvious lovy dovy behaviour or chit chat; just the normal affectionate behaviour one might expect to be shared between spouses. It doesn't necessarily need ten minutes devoted to it; in a film, all that would be required would be a two minute exchange to establish the characters' orientation.

Though... As I think of it, I would prefer it to be more subtle. The occasional couple holding hands or meeting and hugging in the background. Just enough for the subconscious to see it and (hopefully) accept it as something normal. If that happened more often, when it was seen in the foreground, it would not be seen to be something different, daring and bold; it wouldn't be shocking, it wouldn't be something out of the ordinary, it would be something we've subconsciously seen many many times before.
Edited August 08 2011 by Angelsilhouette
Steven Skeffington

Rasilek

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 07 2011
I don't read too much into this...I really just think Abrams is simply saying he'd like to find an effective way to show that love is universal in the 23rd century. Period.

Unfortunately, in the gay-hating world of the present, it's just not easy to strike that balance when telling a story to such a massive audience, and he doesn't want to make it a part of the movie that people will undoubtedly talk about. I mean honestly, I really wonder if it's even avoidable without the Bullshit hollywood gossip that would come to follow.

I can see it now on all the news shows:
"Gay romance in the latest Star Trek installment?? I'll have the details!!"

"Boldly going where no ma...." etc etc, you get the idea.

If i were him, i'd make couples appear in the film as couples, like say during a social scene where everyone co-mingles with signifigant others. Straight couples and gay couples altogether...that would be the only way to convey the true idea of equality as we all would envision it 300 years from now.

Just my 2 pence of course,

Steve
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Unknown Person

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 07 2011
I just want something small, as for it being a distraction so was the wedding in Nemesis, so was Scottys nephew in the Wrath of Khan. There are tons of other movies that have a bit of back story. really its as simple as this
crewmen:Have you seen my phaser
crewman2: Yeah, here
crewman: thanks, you know I'll come back to you. I always have :::hug/ kiss on the cheek:::
C2: I know ::::sniff:::
Then crewman walks out to his random red shirt death
Pete Spreadborough

Pete_jhS

Re: =*=*=*Fleet Achievements Board*=*=*=

August 07 2011
Quote by bfelczer
Congrats to Leon (NanoLion), Christian (Zeryon), Lance (Colivia) and myself for a 59 minute Cure run tonight! WAY TO GO GUYS!!!

We also did Infected right before it in 35 min B)
:blink: Awesomeness! Congratulations to you all. I can't wait for the new STF versions to come out. Straight on to the Elite versions! :lol:
Pete Spreadborough

Pete_jhS

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 07 2011
I'm sympathetic to the problem; bear in mind that Keiko et al appeared in the television show, which had considerably more time to expend on personal relationship stuff. We've all been let down by Trek never having had gay characters featured in the series.

But in the movies, time is a lot more restricted. Only the main (hence mostly pre-established) characters get screen-time devoted to relationship stuff. I don't recall much of
partners kiss, the person picking up says "Hi *insert name*", the partner says "Bring him/her back in one piece."
happening in the movies with any incidental, heterosexual characters either.

The problem stems from the fact that yes, we want it to be presented that in the future there are gay people and everyone's cool with that. But if it were such a non-issue in the future, then if a character explicitly referred to another's homosexuality it would be as strange as someone today making a point of someone's heterosexuality. With time at such a premium in a motion picture, it's very difficult to include any meaningful scenes or exposition that could establish a character as gay without it seeming forced.

Here's an idea... Maybe they could make the JJ-verse's Sulu gay? He could just murmur a little "Oh my..." as a buff topless male ensign walked past.
Seannewboy

Seannewboy

Re: JJ Abrams on Gays in Star Trek

August 07 2011
Thats like saying that having Mrs Keiko O Brien in DS9 was distracting. Having a gay person in the show/movie does not require any dialog. You can have one in their quarters, another crewmember comes to go with them somewhere. The partners kiss, the person picking up says "Hi *insert name*", the partner says "Bring him/her back in one piece.". Scene ends, plot continues. Homosexuality enters ST in a casual manner and only the conservatives are upset.